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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:09 am
by disaster
a slang Canadian political term is to refer to the Liberal party as "Grits". I have no idea why. we also refer to the Conservative party as "Tories". I don't know why we do that either, but that's not as funny as grits.

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:11 am
by Bluestar
Okay then...but then again why are a donkey and elephant our two main political mascots? We live in weird countries :P

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:16 am
by kiri
What does GOP stand for and how did it start?
Why are Republicans represented as elephants and Democrats as
donkeys? --Jerry J.


SDSTAFF Ian replies:


The Republican Party started in the 1850's, formed from a split in the Democratic party, whose members, primarily abolitionists, felt the Democrats were no longer representing their interests. They decided to call themselves Republicans because they felt their ideals were very similar to Jefferson's Democratic-Republican party. After the Civil War, the upstart Republicans were perceived as the party that won the war. Now firmly
entrenched in the federal government, they were ironically dubbed the "Gallant Old Party," which soon became the "Grand Old Party," which was soon shortened to the familiar acronym "GOP."


In 1874, it was rumored that U. S. Grant would run for an unprecedented third term. As the rumors were surfacing, there was also a contemporary urban legend that several animals had escaped from the New York Zoo. Thomas Nast, the most popular and influential cartoonist of the time, took the opportunity to combine the two in a cartoon for The New Yorker magazine, representing the Republicans as elephants, docile but
unmoveable when calm, unstoppable and destructive when excited. The cartoon, entitled "The Third Term Panic," depicted the Republican vote as an elephant running inexorably into a tar pit of inflation and chaos. Interestingly, the elephant was running away from the already established Democratic donkey, dressed in a lion's skin. This was Nast's take on the Democrats' view of Grant as Caesar, and their feeling that they had an obligation to play Brutus before
he let the power of his office corrupt him.


The donkey predated Nast by three decades, when it was used during Andrew Jackson's campaign, initially by his opponents, calling him a 'jackass' for his populist policies. Well known as stubborn, however, Jackson decided to co-opt the mascot, and used it to his own advantage. After Jackson retired, he was still looked at as a party leader, even though the party refused to be led, and the 1837 cartoon "A Modern Baalim and his Ass" showed him leading
a donkey which refused to follow. However, the donkey image was not popularized until the ubiquitous Nast adopted it, first depicting the party as a kicking donkey, attacking Lincoln's secretary of war Edwin Stanton even after his death in an 1870 cartoon for Harper's Weekly.


In other words, both animals were chosen for their negative qualities, such as stubbornness and willy-nilly destruction, and then adopted by the parties for their positive attributes, and neither party has been stubborn or destructive ever since.

From http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mgop.html

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:23 am
by Scavenger
She's learning all my best tricks. Damn. I am becoming superfluous.

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:26 am
by Bluestar
kiri wrote:
and neither party has been stubborn or destructive ever since.
ha!

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:30 am
by kiri
Scavenger wrote:She's learning all my best tricks. Damn. I am becoming superfluous.

...becoming?


And yes, I stole this trick from you. But that was a gimme, you have to admit.

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:41 am
by Bluestar
what trick?

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:54 am
by Scavenger
I am the Internet Scavenger; the guy that finds the answers. I tend to go the The Straight Dope a lot. But Kiri beat me to it. She is learning all my best Internet surfing tricks.

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:03 am
by Bluestar
Ah, I see *snicker* Go Kiri! *high5*

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:00 pm
by Dio
kid get a grip of yourself and stop now.

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:23 pm
by limecat
i wack up to an alarm clock or a nice cold shower alway's does it

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:21 pm
by Score
i wack up to an alarm clock or a nice cold shower alway's does it

THAT.
WAS.
BEAUTIFUL.


I haven't laughed that hard in I don't know how long.

Thank you.

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:31 am
by limecat
huh did i say something funny? :?:

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:15 am
by Kitsune
*pat pat*

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:34 pm
by kiri
93.1 jack fm.

It's a weird-ass channel.